Generally the only arguments I have about God is with my atheist friends who proclaim with religious certainty the non-existence of God. That doesn't make any sense to me, and that's pretty much my whole argument with them. Religious or atheist? There is a certain amount of religiosity involved in atheism, though, if atheism is taken to mean "there's no god." It's a creed, and, really, it takes a certain leap of faith to be so certain in a universe that would not seem to need life, in a reality in which nature does not maintain vestigial artifacts -- and here we are, conscious. To be glib about "there is no god and anybody who denies that creed is ignorant" ... That's religion. fromfile atheism religion